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Discussion: OpenSSL 1.1.0 planning #4270
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Answering to your questions:
- IMO, we should not regret it. It seems to be safer to go without it
- It will be clear later, when we will start working on this, but I think it probably add new APIs
- What do you mean? We already use cert callback in place of our old code...
I had some time to look around the features of openssl-1.1.0 today and can answer some of questions.
- extended master secret (RFC7627):
This feature is for against to the triple handshake attack pointed out in https://www.secure-resumption.com/. There described two attack scenarios, one is renegotiation with client auth and the other is channel id with tls-unique.
The latter does not affect Node since it is not supported. I'm not confident that the former is safe for Node. We do not check the certificate change after renegotiation as Chrome does in https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src.git/+/master/net/socket/ssl_client_socket_openssl.cc#1924 . But I think It is very complicated attack so its severity seems to be low.
The extended master secret has already been enabled in Chrome stable and it just began to be enabled in Firefox. Unless a new attack comes out, I think we need not to be in a hurry to support it. - OCB and ChaCha20-Poly1305:
Using AES-OCB with openssl api is nearly the same as that of AES-GCM so that I think we will need not change the crypto API. AES-CCM has a difference as discussed in crypto: API changes needed for AES Counter with CBC-MAC (CCM) support #2383.
In TLS, we cannot use AES-OCB yet while ChaCha20-Poly1305 has already had pre-assigned cipher suites and can be used in 1.1.0-alpha. ChaCha20-Poly1305 is to be included as MIT ciphers in the forthcoming TLS1.3 so I think it is worth while to test it. - ASYNC_JOB in libcrypto:
It seems to be a something like uv_queue_work to use crypto features in openssl. I'm not sure it has a benefit to use it in Node instead of libuv.
The API and ABI compatibilities between 1.1.0-pre and 1.0.2e are very low as shown in http://abi-laboratory.pro/tracker/objects_report/openssl/1.0.2e/1.1.0-pre1/report.html . The deployment of openssl-1.1.0 in OS distributions will be slow. As in #2783, those who is using shared openssl library bundled in OS would want to stick 1.0.2 even in the next LTS. We should discuss the timing to upgrade when 1.1.0 nearly comes to be official release.
- extended master secret (RFC7627):
@shigeki that (shared library upstream support) would be a perfect discussion for the build group to have with upstream packagers. I'll try to get that mail going during holidays.
@jbergstroem That's good to know that. Another concern about shared library is that we would have an issue if we applied a floating patch to openssl that leads inconsistent behavior. It should be minimum but we did it before for an unavoidable reason as in #923.
@shigeki then upstream will at least know why if/why it fails. In general, I think most of us agree that the less floating patches we have the better :)
CTC meeting discussion roughly concluded that we should not hold up v6 for the OpenSSL upgrade and upgrading to 1.1.0 so soon after its release would require someone making a very good case for doing so. There doesn't appear to be a strong appetite for going ahead with this upgrade with any haste given the amount of API breakage for the little feature gain. The incompatibilities caused with distribution versions is also a factor in the negative for this.
I suggest we leave this issue open for discussion because we'll upgrade eventually.
What's the status of this?
Given that:
Version 1.1.0 will be supported until 2018-04-30.
Version 1.0.2 will be supported until 2019-12-31 (LTS).I think we're just going to continue kicking this can down the road. It's more of a thing that we should probably experiment with rather than actually ship any time soon. There may be Linux distros out there that end up shipping with 1.1.0 and it'd be good to know what kind of hoops we need to jump through to get that working.
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The first Alpha of OpenSSL 1.1.0 is out now so we could be experimenting with integration on a dedicated branch if someone dares to make a start.
The current list of changes is here: https://www.openssl.org/news/openssl-1.1.0-notes.html
It looks like there's some nice cleanup going on with some needed removals, there's also some interesting additions that are worth discussing (also, no header symlinking!).
The planned timing for 1.1.0 is here. The awkward part is that it's not due to be final until late April, the date roughly coincides with a projected V8 5.0 release (rough but educated guess on my part) but falls later than what would be ideal for inclusion in Node.js v6 which will go on to be LTS. I doubt it's something we can include in a semver-minor so it has to be in v6 or not from the beginning. There's some discussion going on regarding V8 and Node.js v6 timing over at nodejs/Release#62 that's relevant to this.
Regarding OpenSSL support, we'd be covered by their support schedule if we opted to stay with OpenSSL 1.0.2 as it's not due to be phased out until the end of 2019 and Node.js v6 LTS would end support in April 2019.
Aside from questions of timing, the following questions stand out to me as worthy of discussion:
/cc @nodejs/crypto @nodejs/lts